tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post227200951150085308..comments2024-01-25T18:43:33.659-07:00Comments on Havre Daily Corrector!: Republicans Skirt the Hill County Treasurer AppointmentHavre Daily Correctorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06247673869719532509noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-6818574735462729922010-08-10T22:13:55.543-06:002010-08-10T22:13:55.543-06:00We have been told that the Republicans are meeting...We have been told that the Republicans are meeting Wednesday night to make a decision on this appointmentHavre Daily Correctorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06247673869719532509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-25645076971657184952010-08-10T17:18:26.704-06:002010-08-10T17:18:26.704-06:00If complaining to the commissioners does no good w...If complaining to the commissioners does no good what good would it do to complain to the department head (Carrie) when she is one of the worst offenders herself?<br /><br />She is the boss so to speak and she is the one that has allowed rude unprofessional behaviour, she allows them to eat while at their desks, and she is the one that has allowed her deputy to knit all along.<br /><br />I wasn't sad to see her get beat in the primary. How could it get any worse?Your Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06351714357998389816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-49757653893832860962010-08-10T17:01:55.162-06:002010-08-10T17:01:55.162-06:00Surely there is one thing I think you need to real...<b>Surely there is one thing I think you need to realize about these laws you call "pretty black and white." </b><br /><br />I was referring to the county policy manual when I made that specific statement, not laws. <br /><br /><b>What are we talking about here if we are not talking about a violation?</b><br /><br />Good question. I was responding to Your Honor's post originally wherein I (admittedly lazily) noted the power via the budget of commissioners. <br /><br />Perhaps we have gone a bit astray and are also splitting hairs?SurelyYouJest11https://www.blogger.com/profile/00776185214350988652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-19245716806198211532010-08-10T15:00:20.494-06:002010-08-10T15:00:20.494-06:00Surely--it's not that I don't like your re...Surely--it's not that I don't like your replies, sometimes I find you quite funny and witty, but in this case you are indeed splitting hairs. <br /><br />What are we talking about here if we are not talking about a violation?<br /><br />Furthermore, I have first hand knowledge of this and you are flat wrong. I wish I could get into details, but alas that would reveal my identity and private information about a personnel matter so I'm not going to do that. Besides I don't know who you or anyone else on here for that matter. Anonymity is great isn't it? <br /><br />Surely there is one thing I think you need to realize about these laws you call "pretty black and white." You seem to know a little about the law, so let me give you a quick political lesson about the law. <br /><br />Legislative intent carries significant weight in the legal interpretation of language especially as it pertains to the separation of powers between specific branches of power and government entities. This is one of those areas. The legislature weighed in as recently as 2003 on this specific statute alone and made quite clear that the Board of County Commissioners has broad powers as it relates to the day-to-day management of County Government. As both legislators and executives, it falls on them to both create policy and enforce it, creating an interesting dichotomy at times of which is the rather gray line on separation of powers amongst County Elected Officials. <br /><br />To sum it up, let be borrow a line from President Obama! Let me be clear! I am not saying that the Commissioners have to be involved, I am simply saying the law is clear that if they choose to be involved and in the case I know about, most certainly did then they have the power to do so. <br /><br />So now I guess we're both splitting hairs, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-77145296486243478452010-08-10T14:27:36.161-06:002010-08-10T14:27:36.161-06:00Surely--give us all a break here with your constan...<b>Surely--give us all a break here with your constant splitting of hairs to try and sound more superior than everyone else. <br /></b><br /><br />That's some funny stuff Railroader. I take it you don't like my replies. Bummer. LOL <br /><br />Certainly you can take anything to the commissioners but unless there is an actual violation of a law/policy the commissioners cannot dictate anything to an elected official. Suggest, yes. <br /><br />Splitting hairs indeed. Buck up fella.SurelyYouJest11https://www.blogger.com/profile/00776185214350988652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-31297705955122613882010-08-10T11:44:44.741-06:002010-08-10T11:44:44.741-06:00Surely--give us all a break here with your constan...Surely--give us all a break here with your constant splitting of hairs to try and sound more superior than everyone else. <br /><br />I would refer you to 7-4-2110 of the MCA's, yes they are referring to the employee manual, but also the general conduct of all offices. County Commissioners can and often do manage (not micromanage) the H.R. of their respective County. It is not micromanagement when someone goes to the Commissioners to complain about poor customer service and the Commissioners handle the situation. It has happened and it will continue to happen. <br /><br />The point I think Your Honor was trying to make is if you have a problem, you can take it up with the Commissioners. <br /><br />So when a violation occurs and the Commissioners become aware of it, they can and have in the past placed personnel on administrative leave and this is done in other Counties as well. Perhaps not near enough here in Hill County.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-52407008769639239172010-08-10T09:55:54.603-06:002010-08-10T09:55:54.603-06:00Specifically described in statute is the duty to s...<b>Specifically described in statute is the duty to supervise other County Offices, including to "require the officers to supervise staff in a manner that complies with personnel policies and procedures adopted by the county governing body."</b><br /><br />This would refer to the county personnel manual I believe. It's pretty black and white. The commissioners can require that an elected official/department head adhere to policies but they cannot come in and require anything further (IOW, they can't micromanage).SurelyYouJest11https://www.blogger.com/profile/00776185214350988652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-20554878593761739242010-08-09T11:46:08.480-06:002010-08-09T11:46:08.480-06:00Surely:
You are correct that the Commissioner'...Surely:<br /><br />You are correct that the Commissioner's do not run the office, the Treasurer does; however, you are incorrect when you say they only have control over the budget. They do have legal obligations as it relates to H.R. responsibilities. <br /><br />Specifically described in statute is the duty to supervise other County Offices, including to "require the officers to supervise staff in a manner that complies with personnel policies and procedures adopted by the county governing body." <br /><br />Indeed they have broad general powers afforded them by Montana law as Chief Executives. But if an officer is failing to do their job or to properly supervise their staff it is incumbent upon the Commission to see to it that the task is accomplished. <br /><br />Moreoever there is precedence for the Commission also to be advised in the hiring and firing of staff. Expecially as it relates to deputy staff. No where is it written that the Commission has final say; however, it is as I understand it, a well established rule that you run all these things by the Commissioners first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-24790363028047856332010-08-09T10:40:21.830-06:002010-08-09T10:40:21.830-06:00Commissioner's DO NOT run the office, the Trea...Commissioner's DO NOT run the office, the Treasurer does. The commissioner's control the budget but that is it. They have zero power to change the daily workings of the office.SurelyYouJest11https://www.blogger.com/profile/00776185214350988652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-27549935048767273022010-08-07T09:31:29.307-06:002010-08-07T09:31:29.307-06:00If you think these commissioners can or will do so...If you think these commissioners can or will do something about this office you are mistaken. The unprofessionalism in the Treasurer’s office that has been going on for a decade is steadily getting worse. Many, many people have complained to the commissioners nothing changes<br /><br />Personally I have complained to various county commissioners on three occasions I can think of over the last number of years. Once because he makes me mad as a taxpayer to go to the Treasurer’s office and see someone knitting in the background. If we have so much free time that we bring busywork to the office with us, we need to lay someone off. I was told “she was on break” which must be hours long because I have witnessed this numerous times. I complained to a commissioner about how unprofessional I felt the office was after I bought my car license from someone that ate potato chips from a bag by her computer as she typed. I was told to take it up with Carrie because she was the Treasurer. I told the commissioners about the rude treatment I witnessed one of these people give an older person trying to buy his license because he forgot to bring his registration with him. The gal basically told him tough luck and you will have to go back to Hingham and get your registration first when they can print them out from their county computer. Telling him he had to go back to Hingham was just plain spiteful. I was told later when I questioned a gal at the window that doing a replacement registration takes a few extra moments of their precious time so they like to train their customers to be sure and bring everything in first time. This time the commissioners told me they knew because they get many complaints but again, it is headed by an elected department head and they can’t do much.<br /><br />Face it Fuelburner, that whole courthouse is Hill Counties white elephant and needs a good shaking up. If the Republicans appoint this woman I am done with them too.Your Honorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06351714357998389816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-88396345073729729432010-08-07T08:35:11.371-06:002010-08-07T08:35:11.371-06:00If you see something going on at these offices you...If you see something going on at these offices you need to walk in and tell the commissioners when you see it so they can take action to get the problem solved.fuelburner1969https://www.blogger.com/profile/14240511154205782432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-1583523009063875742010-08-06T17:52:43.591-06:002010-08-06T17:52:43.591-06:00It is good the have some one that isn't sold o...It is good the have some one that isn't sold out one party or the other. No party is perfect. If you notice the HDN leaves out a lot of information the public actually needs to know just because it doesn't look favorably on some democrat: Like the county officials elected in the court house.Joe Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08536980409032660588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4492931707682284644.post-51439837731270893992010-08-06T09:47:39.839-06:002010-08-06T09:47:39.839-06:00I fail to see what your complaint is regarding the...I fail to see what your complaint is regarding the opinions of Leeds. I read the entire article you linked and see no opinion offered.<br /><br />BTW, it's "corroborated" not "collaborated" and "bald face" not "bold face".SurelyYouJest11https://www.blogger.com/profile/00776185214350988652noreply@blogger.com