Monday, January 11, 2010

Reid rips LDS Church's Prop. 8 support

Here you go DeConstructor as requested.  I don't like to make a habit of copying and pasting but I would be interested to hear the comments on this article


By Matt Canham, The Salt Lake Tribune , Published November 13, 2009
Washington » In a meeting with gay-rights activists last week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid criticized the LDS Church for backing a ballot measure banning same-sex marriage in California, saying the leaders of his faith should have stayed out of the contentious political fight.
Reid, a Democrat from Nevada, is the highest ranking elected official who is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He previously has not commented on the flood of Mormon money and volunteers who helped propel Proposition 8 to victory in November.

But three organizers of the past weekend's National Equality March said Reid brought up the topic during a conversation in his office. "He said that he thought it was a waste of church resources and good will," said Derek Washington, a Nevadan who worked as the outreach director for the march. "He said he didn't think it was appropriate."
Reid spokesman Jon Summers would not discuss the private meeting, but he didn't deny the conversation took place. "While Senator Reid agrees with his church that marriage is between a man and a woman," Summers said, "he also believes that the resources that went into the Proposition 8 effort could have been put to better use."

LDS Church officials declined to comment Monday. But Frank Schubert, campaign manager for the pro-Prop 8 movement, said: "All churches have not only the opportunity to speak out on important public issues, but really a moral obligation to do so."
The Mormon Church, headquartered in Salt Lake City, repeatedly has fought attempts to legalize same-sex marriages. California's Prop 8 was no different. Church leaders announced their support in a letter that was read during Sunday services in meetinghouses throughout the Golden State. LDS officials called for financial donations and volunteers. Members of the church did not disappoint.
More than 1,000 Utahns contributed either individually or through a business to the Prop 8 fight, giving $3.8 million. More than 70 percent of that cash went to groups backing the gay-marriage ban. Utah ranked second only to California in the amount given to the ballot battle.

The LDS Church kicked in nearly $190,000 in in-kind contributions to ProtectMarriage.com, the leading pro-Prop. 8 group. In the end, Prop 8 passed with 52 percent of the vote.

Marchers in Sunday's equality rally, which drew tens of thousands to the U.S. Capitol, repeatedly referenced the Prop 8 defeat in signs, statements and even face paint. But when organizers sat down with Reid, it wasn't a topic they intended to raise. They wanted to thank him for supporting the march and push him on their desire for federal action giving gay Americans the ability to get married, serve openly in the military and fight workplace discrimination.
Reid signed a letter supporting the march and encouraged a sustained lobbying campaign.
In the meeting, those present touched on issues most important to them. Dan Choi, a veteran of the Iraq War, who was booted from the military under the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, thanked Reid for lobbying President Barack Obama on his behalf. Robin McGehee, of California, talked about her own family. Then, McGehee said, Reid brought up his LDS faith and discussed a recent meeting with Mormons in which he criticized the Prop 8 efforts.
"He personally said they needed to be focused on other things," she said, "and he felt it was harmful for the church to focus on such a divisive issue."
The Salt Lake Tribunte, November 13, 2009
See  http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13546968 
For more articles regarding the Mormon (LDS) Church, Proposition 8 and marriage equality, see   www.prop8-lds.4t.com/page2.html

16 comments:

  1. It's about time some of these good church people start putting thier money where thier mouth is and actually do something to help retain what little Morality we have left.

    I say Good job to the LDS parishioners

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  2. By the way, what are all the good churches in Havre Montana doing to protect and advance the word of God? Especially in regards to abortion, gays, and other things that are in defiance of biblical teaching. Aren't we a nation founded on God to be a CHRISTION nation?

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  3. Workshard,
    We are a nation that was founded on freedom of religion and no mention of god in the constitution except "creator" which isn't necessarily your "christion" or properly spelled "christian" god. If you have any doubts about that research your founding fathers and find out what they really thought about christianity.They spoke often of God, (Nature's God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. They did not deny that there was a person called Jesus, and praised him for his benevolent teachings, but they flatly denied his divinity. As Thomas Jefferson,the author of the constitution wrote: "Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law."

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  4. kudos to the LDS for sticking up for thier beliefs

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  5. the lds church's beliefs seem to change with who is donating money to them, especially regarding marriage.
    If you haven't seen it yet, the new season of HBO's Big Love, about polygamists is excellent.

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  6. The whole mission of the Church is to labor for Christ in the whole world. That includes lobbying government for pro-christian laws and behaviours

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  7. If the church wants to lobby and pass laws against groups of people in this country, they need to reconsider being exempt from taxes and wheter or not they want to be seperate from the state. It is a double standard to think that churches can preach and lobby for laws to be passed but then want to hide under seperation of church and state when lawmakers come after them.

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  8. Telling it like it isJanuary 13, 2010 2:46 PM

    I think that Billy Graham said it best in this prayer for our nation

    Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to seek your direction and guidance.
    We know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,' but that is exactly what we have done.
    We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values.
    We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery.
    We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare..
    We have killed our unborn and called it choice.
    We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.
    We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self esteem.
    We have abused power and called it politics..
    We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition.
    We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression.
    We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.
    Search us, Oh God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and Set us free. Amen!'

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  9. I also believe the evangelist said,
    “Give me five minutes with a person's checkbook, and I will tell you where their heart is.”

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  10. Last time I was in Church they called it a "free will" offering. I guess if people didn't agree with what they were doing with that offering they wouldn't continue filling thee bucket each week would they?

    So What and who cares what a private church group does with its money unless you happen to be part of that group

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  11. So according to you,if the "God Hates Fags" church came upon millions of dollars and was able to lobby support for the boycotting of funerals and every other thing they want done according to their ideas on what the bible says, you shouldn't care since you aren't part of that group?

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  12. After the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, Reverend Jerry Falwell went on television and said:


    The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this. And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God or successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen".
    — Jerry Falwell, The 700 Club, 13 Sept 2001


    Years later, Jerry Falwell complained that his famous 9/11 rave was taken out of context. Al Franken said that the only way it could be considered to have been taken out of context was if it were immediately preceded by the words,


    "I'd have to be a friggin' nut to say..."
    == Al Franken Show, Air America Radio, 1 December 2004.

    Many people remember the war that went on between Jerry Falwell and Larry Flynt. The biggest difference was that no one in the United States as done more to protect everyones right to free speech than Larry Flynt, including taking a bullet for that right.

    The day that disgusting,bigoted, and fear mongering Falwell died America became a better place.

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  13. telling it like it isJanuary 14, 2010 11:23 AM

    Deconsructor, the good news is that the day Falwell died he went to a better place to claim his reward in Heaven and you will never, ever have to see him or listen to him again

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  14. Telling it like it is....
    How about the fact that Falwell and his crony Pat Robertson were and are two of the biggest idiots in the world. They prey upon the less-educated for their own personal agenda. Instead of offering sympathy and money to Haiti, Robertson claims that the Haitians are evil people that made a deal with the devil!!! Some Christians. I guess you are right though, Falwell is in a better place-buried in the ground- so not to be able to spew his bulls*%t.

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  15. Telling it like it isJanuary 15, 2010 5:56 PM

    sorry to disappoint you. Not buried in the ground, his soul is with his maker

    The lost can't seem to get a grasp on that concept

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  16. I could be wrong, but I always thought that the United States was formed on the grounds of religious freedom, when the Puritans and the Quakers and all those crazy pilgrims sailed on over here to escape religious persecution. Why then, hundreds of years later, are we discussing this issue? Religious freedom and seperation of church and state are what this country was founded on, not "Aren't we a nation founded on God to be a CHRISTION nation." I am not criticizing anyone's religion, only supporting their right to practice it as they please.
    Since America has Jewish citizens, does that mean we all have to eat kosher?

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